Ha ha, sorry Nod2033! But it's a very interesting discussion. Maybe we should start our own thread or something, Bamul?
Continue here,that is a bit confusing,and not alright to cut it in this thread and continue it somewhere else.
Well that is true, Communism seems impossible to achieve on a national/world scale. But that is like you said, because of human nature. Even Communists believe that someone with power is needed to keep things stable; the dictatorship of the proletariat after the revolution, for a limited amount of time... now finding a man/people who would give up absolute power once everything is settled is impossible. Btw, sure, a new thread sounds great.
Well, I think the Greeks (or Romans? I forget...) had a system at one point where in time of war a leader was chosen by popular vote, and when the war was done, he resigned. One guy was famous for being a farmer, winning the war, and immediately going back to his farm. So it can work, we just need to get the right people, and they have to keep the power from going to their head. And of course, people like these are very rare, I know I couldn't handle it! The Romans had a system going for a while where two leaders were elected for a period of a few years, and then resigned. But it didn't last long, it fell apart pretty quickly.
This conversation is getting really intresting. Everyone have good points to take out Anyway, I thought about something as when I read all the posts. What if we should take the communist idea, and put as a "belief", not as actuall way of ruling a nation. Let me explain further: Let's say that we got a President, who then got a Vice President etc etc. But all the persons believe that everyone is equal. They'r learnt to see every one as equal, and are thereby not afraid of challanging the authority if there are somthing they don't like. And here's the problem that can't be fixed. People will always conflict other people. People who doesnt see the logic of someone else's reasoning, or are driven by greed. Thats why it always go wrong, and thats humanity. Lol Im gonna stop my ranting here, and go to another point about the dictators of the (in perticular Stalin) world; they'r crazy. Stalin wanted to make a super monkey/human army, while Hitler wanted to make a new rome, with REDICOULUSLY big buildings. Some of the recent happenings in the Middle east, is Libyia. Their leader is mad with power, and won't see that he have lost.
yeah well i believe that communism might be a good idea but like u guys said its very hard, maybe even impossible, to succeed it. People tend to be lazy, selfish, greedy, etc. It really just human nature. I personally am into the socialism/communism idea more than capitalism. But then again i cant really argue because i dont really know alot about politics and government.
Main problem with Communism right now is that people think it's pure evil, when it isn't. Two main problems here: misinformation and capitalist propaganda. People around the world are badly educated about Communism and Socialism in general... teenagers will tell you that their parents say it's a horrible thing, which means that there will never be enough Comrades to even try creating a better, real Communist society.
Well, there's a saying: you judge a tree by it's fruits. So far, every Communist regime has had many deaths, the implementation of fear as a form of control, indoctrination, and "informing on your neighbor". A loss of personal freedom and a general drop in living standards is also present. The bad far outweighs the good in the historical Communist regimes, and so people form a judgment on past experience (which is a natural and actually pretty normal way to think and form opinions). If a man isn't a good president, he may be voted once again, with reservations in mind. But if he has a second presidency which is not good, people will stop voting. Repeat this four or five times, and no-one in their right mind will vote for him. And, of course, as I've said above, the Western governments are far from perfect. But they do not rule through fear, support informing on your neighbors, or infringe personal freedom... though I think they are heading there...
They weren't Communist! Just thought I'd point that out. xD Anyway, western governments do infringe personal freedom - just in more subtle, secretive and overall much better ways. Prime example: USA.
u know i kinda like the idea of capitalistic socialism - meaning that theres a socialist/communist party but ppl have the right to vote for a leader (or president). And they have the same rules that apply to the western states and Capitalism. I think its a great idea. idk. right now russia is a capitalism type country but i heard that they're changing it to a socialist/capitalistic country and forming a new type of government
